Affording Welsh Independence

The question of affording Independence has been raised again thanks to a social media campaign by the Labour Party during the Caerphilly by-election. This campaign, supported by superficial figures from the Wales Office, claimed that Independence for Wales costs around £7,000 per person, (with some variations) with the obvious intention of scaring voters. Naturally, this became a topic of discussion during the Welsh Independence rally in Rhyl on 18 October

The debate about affording independence has been a headache for independence supporters for many years, and to use a popular contemporary phrase, it’s a topic that lives “rent free” in our heads, and for good reason, as this is what many people will ask you if you tell them that you support independence for Wales.

While supporters of independence are happy with the understanding that every other country can afford to be independent, so this must therefore also be the case for Wales, this does not persuade those less certain in their support, and it seems that, so far. we have failed to put our finger on the answer that gives confidence to doubters.

For this reason, this subject has attracted a lot of attention, and Melin Drafod in 2023 produced a paper: Achieving an Independent Wales, a study built on John Doyle’s study of the Welsh fiscal gap “The Fiscal Deficit in Wales” (2022), which itself followed a series of papers on subjects by the Wales Governance Contre, Cardiff.. While the discussion moved forward significantly during this period, we now know that it progressed even further later in 2023 with the publication of a paper by Thibault Laurentjoye “Currency Options for an Independent Wales“.  Laurentjoye’s paper gives a clear and firm explanation of the fiscal situation of an independent Wales, adding robustness to the discussion, but the points he makes seem not to have received sufficient attention within the independence movement, perhaps because of the timing of the publication.

Whilst presenting a strong argument for Wales adopting its own currency, Laurentjoye also frames the discussion of the fiscal gap in a different way, explaining that Wales has dual debt, or “twin deficits”, both fiscal deficit and commercial deficit, both similar in size, and also statistically uncertain, up to perhaps £13 Billion, but much less if we accept Doyle’s arguments. Also, more recent data suggests Wales’ trade position may have improved slightly. There is no certainty of course, everyone in the field emphasises the weakness of the statistical information that exists about the Welsh economy.

Understanding the difference in these balances is key, and one convenient method of clarifying this is by looking at countries where the picture is more mixed. For example, many countries in Europe, including Germany and Italy, have positive accounts in trade because they export more than they import, but negative accounts, or fiscal deficits with their Governments. Another example is Japan, which has a huge fiscal deficit but a small trade deficit today, following a strong history of exporting. The difference is that any debt in the balance of trade is a debt to other countries, while the “fiscal gap” is a debt that the country owes to itself. Britain has debts on both balance sheets and is obsessed with the fiscal one.

This is key given how Wales deals with its situation when it gains independence. Laurentjoye recommends that Wales sets up separate commissions to deal with these issues, a Trade and Current Account Commission, and a Fiscal Commission for the country’s finances.

This sheds new light on the options facing an independent Wales. We can consider one possible solution, where an independent Wales would build a large barrage to generate electricity from the tide. This would not necessarily close the Government’s fiscal gap as the Government could not benefit much from it, it could not raise a high price or tax from this supply on other countries in a competitive market, but it could close the trade gap significantly if it meant that the people of Wales worked more on exportable products than before. This is just one suggestion, but it clearly illustrates what could happen if more investment were planned for Wales. Our situation at the moment is that there is not enough investment in Wales, and we are suffering economically because of this.

If we wanted to tackle the fiscal gap, we could consider the indirect effect of relocating functions such as governance, the civil service, legal services and defence for example, to ensure that they take place within the borders of Wales. This would ensure that the relevant staff are not only more aware of the needs of Wales in carrying out their work, but also paying taxes in Wales and consequently reducing the fiscal gap. This is clearly fiscally more efficient than paying another country to govern us. Such a policy could be implemented promptly, quickly changing the picture of the fiscal gap.

What is clear then is that the responsibility for any trade and fiscal gaps lies with the Government of an independent Wales, not with the citizens. The so called cost or unaffordability of independence claimed by opponents is both wrong and irrelevant. An independent Wales will be a more complex, with more responsibilities, and the people of Wales, like the citizens of any other democratic country, should ensure that they elect a Government that has appropriate plans to secure the future of their country. An independent Welsh government would need to have plans that include appropriate investment in our own country and take responsibility for where money is spent.

This is an unfamiliar mental leap, not only because the British Government is withholding these responsibilities from us, but also because of the political-economic context we are currently in. Our Labour Government is hardly willing to implement any practical change to our services because of their fear of Britain’s fiscal gap, we should not therefore be surprised at their reluctance to undertake more radical changes in Wales.  Nevertheless, it is of course possible to make changes that overcome such problems, political will is all that is needed.  It looks like the voters are now, with some justification, looking for more fundamental changes to our society and economy than is being offered to them by traditional British politics, and they may be less fearful than many of the politicians.

 

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Supporting Independence for Wales

As we continue along the path to Welsh independence, with the Welsh political world now turning towards the Senedd elections in May 2026, the need to develop progressive ideas that demonstrate the value of independence is greater than ever.

Melin Drafod has organised a number of meetings over the past year, but in the next phase we will be publishing a series of blogs that will focus on relevant themes, developing a discussion that avoids the constraints of party politics.

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Democracy Summit

 

The Big Democracy Summit

10am, Saturday, 8 February 2025

Soar, Merthyr Tudful

From growing misinformation online to political corruption and the rise of the far right, representative politics is facing unprecedented challenges in our country and in many others around the world. Come to a day of discussion in small and large group conversations to formulate solutions to the challenges and to re-imagine democracy for the independent Wales to come.

Among the speakers will be author Grace Blakeley, Plaid Cymru Senedd Member Heledd Fychan, the Leader of the Wales Green Party Anthony Slaughter, former MP for Cwm Cynon Beth Winter, the reporter and author Will Hayward, Plaid Cymru MS Adam Price, Cymdeithas yr Iaith Chair Joseff Gnagbo, Naomi Hughes from YesCymru, and Labour Senedd Member Mick Antoniw.

The timetable for the day can be viewed here.

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Merthyr summit to discuss concerns about democracy

Campaigners will gather in Merthyr Tudful next month to discuss the growing challenges facing democracies around the world.
Organised by the think tank Melin Drafod, the summit will discuss topics such as the rise of disinformation and the growth of the far right.
Among the speakers at the event held at Theatr Soar in Merthyr Tydfil will be author Grace Blakeley, Labour Senedd Member Mick Antoniw, author and reporter Will Hayward, Plaid Cymru Senedd Member Heledd Fychan and former Cwm Cynon MP Beth Winter.
Talat Chaudhri, Chair of the think tank Melin Drafod, said:
“From growing disinformation online to political corruption and the rise of the far right, representative politics is facing unprecedented challenges in our country and in many others around the world. The summit will be a chance to discuss and formulate solutions to those challenges and to re-imagine democracy for the independent Wales to come.
“In many countries in Europe and beyond, there’s no doubt that democracy as we know it is under greater threat than for generations. Every step, be it small or big, can make a difference. Our political parties and civil society need to stand up to face this severe threat.
“This is the time to deepen and strengthen the democratic structures of our country, the internal ones of the parties together with our electoral institutions. But, in addition, it is absolutely essential to tackle the serious income inequality in Wales and elsewhere in the world.”
The summit is taking place on Saturday 8 February 2025 in the Soar Centre in Merthyr Tudful. For further information and to purchase tickets, go to: http://melindrafod.cymru/siop.

The Big Democracy Summit

The Big Democracy Summit

From growing disinformation online to political corruption and the rise of the far right, representative politics is facing unprecedented challenges in our country and in many others around the world. Join us for a day of discussion in small and large group conversations to formulate solutions to the challenges and to re-imagine democracy for the independent Wales to come.

8.2.25

Soar Centre, Merthyr Tudful

Speakers: Grace Blakeley, Mick Antoniw MS, Will Hayward, Heledd Fychan MS, Beth Winter and others

Order your ticket here.

 

 

Call for leaders’ plan to stop far right

Campaigners have written to the party leaders in Wales calling on them to plan to stop the growth of the far right.

In a letter sent by think tank Melin Drafod, the politicians are asked a series of questions about their plans to strengthen democracy and tackle economic and social injustice.

Between 2016 and 2021, representatives of a number of far right-wing parties, including UKIP and the Brexit Party, sat in the Senedd.

Far right-wing politicians and parties have recently won elections in Italy, Austria, the USA, the Netherlands and a number of other countries.

Opinion polls suggest that Reform could win seats in the Welsh elections in 2026.

Talat Chaudhri, Chair of Melin Drafod, said:

“In many countries in Europe and beyond, there’s no doubt that democracy as we know it is under greater threat than for generations. Our political parties and civil society need to stand up to face this severe threat.

“Some will consider what happens here in Wales to be irrelevant, but we don’t agree. Every step, be it small or big, can make a difference. Everything is worth doing considering the seriousness of the situation. So our representatives and parties have a moral duty to respond.

“This is the time to deepen and strengthen the democratic structures of our country, the internal ones of the parties together with our electoral institutions. But, in addition, it is absolutely essential to tackle the serious income inequality in Wales and elsewhere in the world. Only by working at all levels will we be able to tackle the extreme right-wing parties and their ugly ideology which threatens so many of the most vulnerable people in our society.

“In an independent Wales, we will have the opportunity to create a much more open and welcoming environment for migrants. Challenging the current hateful anti-immigration narrative is not only the right moral policy, but the best thing for our economy and public services.”

2026 Voices

A discussion about the agenda for the next Welsh Government after the 2026 Senedd elections, and how it should build towards independence held on 12 October 2024 with Joseff Gnagbo, Cllr. Beca Roberts, Radha Nair-Roberts, Cllr. Elin Hywel, Keira Marshall and Leanne Wood

New National Committee

On the 5th of September 2024, our new National Commitee was elected for the period to come. The members are:

Delyth Ifan, Einion Gruffudd, Colin Nosworthy, Osian Elias, Talat Chaudhri, Mererid Boswell, Steve Blundell, Jonathan Evershed, Joseff Gnagbo, Michael Chown

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